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PayPal For A Vehicle, Or Any Large Sale! eBay And
PayPal Side With The Buyers Most Of The Time, And Stick
It To The Seller! In The Event Of A Chargeback As Stated
Above, PayPal Will Not Defend The Seller! They Just Take
The Money Back From Whatever Funding Source/Sources You
Have On File!
If You Have Taken
PayPal For A Large Sum, And The Buyer Threatens To Do A
Chargeback, Or You Are Feeling Nervous About The
Possibility Of Loosing Your Money.. It Is Best To
IMMEDIATELY Close Any Funding Sources You Have On
File With PayPal, Including Bank Accounts & Credit Cards
That Have Been Removed From PayPal In The Past!, They
Are Actually Not Removed, And PayPal Will Attempt To
Draw Funds From Them!
Call Your Bank and
Tell Them You Lost Your Checkbook, And Do The Same With
Credit/Debit Card Companies! They Will Issue You A New
Account/Card! And It Will Be PayPal That Gets Hosed, Not
But Also Be Advised
PayPal Will Turn It Over To Collections To Try And
Recover Their Loss!
Doing A Charge Back
With A Credit Card/PayPal Is Not Illegal! You Might
Think It Is Theft Of Property Like A Worthless
Check/Draft, But It Makes It A Civil Matter! You Will
Have To File Suit Against The Buyer Who Initiated The
Chargeback! If Your Vehicle Is Several States Away, It
Might Be Cost Prohibitive!
Con Artists Prey
On Vehicle Sellers Just Looking For A Victim! Just Don't
Let It Be YOU!!!
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I searched passenger cars and there's a common thread
of cars auctions with a BIN that's incredibly low.
But, you have to contact the seller first before
bidding. What's up with this - the BIN prices are
We did go see the vehicle before
bidding, thank goodness. The seller's description said
that the car had been well taken care of and that the
interior was in very good condition. The photos looked
great. When contacted by phone the seller said the car
was in great condition. The seller has good feedback.
The car had a broken windshield, a crack in the dash,
cigarette burns on the carpet (under a new floormat), a
cigarette burn on the backseat, and some significant
scraps touched up with not-quite-matching touch up
paint. None of this was in a photo.
You're all right -- see the car. Thanks
I only decided to say something because
through a little research and an ever vigilant eye for a
deal, I have become aware of the appalling number of
phony auctions. Ebay says they care and then do nothing.
The occasional auction is removed. They may say they
can't catch them all, then how come I can spot a dozen
of them at any time? Things that make you go HUMMMMMMM.
P.S. just got another email explaining why i got the auto
post. Still doesnt explain why the mainstream honest
ebayer is treated like hes second class. They (EBAY)
needs to take a hard look at the Listers and Auctions. I
for one will be very careful. Almost to the point of
(why would i ever want to take the chance) Thanks for
the reply. I will step down from my Box of Soap and move
Thanks for the help with this...i have never heard of
such a program with ebay. see below.
I'm really sorry for this late reply but I've been very
busy lately and away from a computer. The car is located
in Northridge, CA with 50K miles on board, in excellent
running and body condition, no flaws on it or any other
mechanical problems. It has a clear title and it will be
signed and notorized on your name as soon as the payment
will be completed.
Regarding payment I am aware of the buyer's protection
and we will use eBay's motors vehicle purchase
protection program which will hold the payment until you
receive the car. If you are interested you will be asked
to make a deposit of 30%($6,360); the buy it now price
is $21,200. including shipping costs anywhere in the
By sending your payment to eBay you are not buying the
car, is just the way the program works (and in case you
buy the car it will give you a 1 month/1000 miles
guarantee). However, it is 100% refundable if the car is
not as described.
If you are interested please provide me the following
informations necessary to take a decision :
-your full name and address for shipping, your phone #
-any negative feedback and if so .... for what reason.
If I receive the requested information you will be
informed by eBay during the next hours with details
about your purchase.
The car will be inspected and evaluated by eBay's team
so there is no need to ask me about it's condition as
long it will be a guaranteed purchase by eBay.
clicked on one of the bogus listings the other day and
as soon as the fake login page popped up, it tried to
down load what appeared to be a trojan virus!
My anti-virus caught it, and it was either harmless or
was set up incorrectly, as it didn't do any harm. I
think the scammers are testing eBay to see how much they
can get away with... What happens when it gets to the
point where you can't even click on any auction without
having to worry about virus down loads, fake re-directs,
etc? It is starting to get out of control.
lurk on several other discussion boards on eBay and have
made the following observation, for what it's worth.
Pinks will drop in on most other boards about every 10
posts or so.
Remember we would get a topic every now and then looking
for a pink? And every blue moon a pink would stop by and
jump into a motors discussion.
Other than to pitch their fee increases or some other
"enhancement" when was the last time a pink
stopped by and made his presence known? I just searched,
and you have to go back 4 pages of topics to find one
where a pink made a comment.
I think they know what a cesspool (to use Doc's
expression) the motors section has turned into (I mean
the sales, feedback, frauds and scams, not the
discussion board) and they just avoid it like the
But, it would be refreshing to hear a topic about a
buyer had the car pre-inspected and had a concern or
problem with that process. The scams are getting more
well known, the pre-inspection even less so.
You are right on the money!!
NOBODY in their right mind should buy a car on eBay
motors, it is so rife with fraud.
All eBay is interested in is the is the fees it
They could care less about the authenticity of the
listing. They don't have, nor care about whether it is
real or not.
How else can you explain the fraud on this site???.
The pinks address the "fluffy" issues, kind of
like a Larry King interview".
Long live the Libs.!!!
H Luis was busy the last couple of
nights...and boy, does he have a deal on a car for you...I
mean...he has 27 DEALS!!!
resistance is futile...YOU WILL BE A-SCAM-ILATED!!!
Oh, and that last one is a 2006 Corvette Z06 THAT'S A
4X4?!! WHAT COMPANY DOES *THAT* CONVERSION??? H LUIS
ENTERPRISES, THAT'S WHO!!!
So Pinks, while you're wasting your time sending me a
nasty scathing email and deleting my post from 530am this
morning talking about these scams because I mentioned them
by seller name instead of item number, they have put up
MORE scams and you're FALLING BEHIND!!!
Just called up page 1 of passenger
vehicles, and 30 listings are obvious scams. If the scam
prevention team exists, they're not very good. Restating
an opinion, once enough people get scammed, and everyone
reads about it and stops buying, honest sellers like
yourself will stop listing, and the eBay house of cards
will come crumbling down.
Hey Ebay , Ever hear of the Titanic.
They said that ship could not sink either and it did .
It is no wonder it is hard to sell a car on Ebay what with
all the scams !!!
Why does Ebay make it so defficult to
report obvious scams. I spent more time trying to browse
the security areas looking for information
I found a bogus posting and took me 1/2 to tell someone
and when I did they suggested in the future I send an
email. I contacted the guy on the bogus listing thinking
he had misstyped the price for the car. He has 78
feedbacks listed. This is similar to the Nigerian scam
Over last 2 days MANY listings of
expensive & classic cars being dumped with VERY LOW
BuyItNow offered prices in headings and listing
comments. Here are some listing numbers to see, they
keep rolling off Ebay like crazy- a real problem. DO
NOT CONTACT PEOPLE OUTSIDE EBAY LISTING or they will
have your email contact info! SEE: 2/17-
4614550566,4614556120,461455612 & 2/16-
464283916,4614303730, 4614303258, 4614307456,
4614303258, just watch new listings as they are
rolling out NOW!
Any recourse against
non-paying car buyer?
This is the third time I've
been burned by a non-paying high bidder. Is
there any legal action available to a seller
dealer? Any advice/ideas would be greatly
I am new to ebay. My husband
listed a Jeep and we were scammed by the high
bidder, the same person had doen it to another Jeep
seller, and now I have found out about two others
with a similar story. A brand new ebayer bids the
Jeep sky high, and cannot be contacted, does not
respond to emails, and DUH!, does not pay. We
complained extensively to ebay, and nothing was done
about it, we just ate the cost of the listing. We
have re-listed the Jeep with a warning to bidders,
and if someone is new, or has negative feedback, we
ask them to contact us PRIOR to bidding. If they do
not comply, we kick them off. This really sucks. I
think that there should be some kind of repercussion
for the deadbeats, ebay does nothing about this
(currently), hopefully this will change. Anybody
have something to say about that?
False bidding or fake bids
Has anyone else noticed the
number of "false" bidders that seem to be
popping up on ebay. These people with usually 0
rating start bidding on vehicle and have no
intention of buying it. They either make
multiply bids or put down an orginal bid of huge
amount so they outbid any other person who is
interested in auction, Then if you attempt to
contact them you receive no answer? Ebay does
nothing abou this when you notify them? Any
suggestions or comments?
I am totally convinced that
all the employees at ebay are "consumers"
themselves, meaning they have probably never
worked on the selling side of a business,
probably have never owned and operated their own
I also think that those who run ebay motors have
never actually been in the car business.
So they see deadbeats as no big deal, their
attitude is "give the customer a break".."we all
can make a mistake" etc. Hey I am all for that
as long as it doesn't cost me MONEY, but it
does. If it were once or twice a year, maybe no
big deal, but as you can see it is rampant. And
when I ask ebay to refund my whole fee, boy all
of a sudden it is a different story.
Personally I would be embarrassed to work for
ebay, I just wouldn't feel too good about
charging my customer for a service NOT
delivered, which is bring me a real buyer and I
will pay your fee, bring me a deadbeat and I
should be charged nothing. But that's me I guess
I adhere to a higher standard....and I am a car
Unless anyone starts to
return messages, it looks like I might be
running three-for-three this week on
NPBs...two ietms are small and one is a
Yet all of these threads are ignored by the
pinks. When you talk to someone at eBay,
their attitude is that people are generally
good and to cut them a break. Heck, we even
had a pink come on here before and basically
tell the world that deposits should be
returned - even though we have to pay our
fees, waste our time and tie up our
inventory (which costs money in interest for
every day that we sit around and hold it for
It was suggested once that requirements for
a bidder's account should be tightened and
the pink response to that was that it wasn't
going to happen.
The NPBs are the biggest single problem with
eBay Motors right now and management refuses
to admit that it is a problem, much less
will they do anything about it.
I would be a lot more understanding and
patient if somebody at least made the token
gesture to say that this is a problem and
they plan on doing something about it,
rather than trying to tell us to accept
Paypal for the full amount (which has its
own problems) and the deadbeat bidders will
Take some action eBay, look like you care
about your business. I list less and less
every month (go back and check my invoices
over the past three years) because of
problems like these, spend a little bit of
time and money to fix your problems and your
bottom line will increase. Otherwise, you
are on course for a steady decline in
business. That's what happens when a vendor
stops listening to their customers.
Hey, folks, thought
you might be interested to know that I
took Doc's advice, ran a newspaper ad,
and the car sold in 2 days.
How is that
people are allowed to run these
scams! Every other Supra on Ebay is
a scam. They just ruin it for those
that are truly offering a good deal,
because you don't know what is real
and not real! I am sick of this.
People need to stop taking advantage
Please excuse the rude comments
from the folks on this board. In
the past few years, hundreds of
people have posted questions
similar to yours on this board.
The regular, many of them
sellers have just become fed up
with the fact that so many
people think (hope) that they
can buy a vehicle for less than
half its value.
The board regulars are mostly
good folks, but the scams on
Ebay have nearly ruined their
online auction business.
Yes, it is most likely a scam!
Remember the old saying.
If it seems to good to be true,
it probably is!
Ferrari Item number:
good to be true - $25,000.
What do I need to do to
1. If I purchase through
eBay the transaction has
"Vehicle Purchase Protection
up to $20,000".
2. AutoCheck vehicle history
3. Independent vehicle
4. Personally inspect the
Doesn't "Vehicle Purchase
Protection" actually protect
H Luis using reserve
price now? or is that
auction for real?
Need Major Help
I won an
auction on ebay quite a few
months ago for a Ranger
Rover. The transaction
seemed to go smoothly for a
while. Sent the money to the
seller the next day via a
wire transfer and was
supposed to get the title
asap. Well the seller kept
telling me he never got the
transfer. Tried to work with
my bank to sort it out and
they just said he did. Well
this kept going on for a few
weeks. Finally I gave up and
reported this as a fraud and
ebay tells me I'm past the
insurance date and can't
submit a claim. That's just
great now I'm out $10,000. I
live in Canada and the truck
I was buying was in New
Jersey. I went to a local
lawyer and they tell me that
their is nothing that they
can do because it's in the
US. Local cops tell me the
same thing. Called the New
Jersey police and they
basically say they are too
busy to do anything about
it. I submitted an incident
to the Internet Fraud
complaint center but haven't
and don't expect to hear
anything back. At this point
I don't know what to do. I
need to recoup that money
somehow but it seems like I
have no options what so
ever. I was in contact with
the seller for like 4 months
but now he won't answer the
phone. Does anyone know of
anything else I can do?
I was a
skeptic but decided to try
to sell my car on ebay. Had
35 bids and now one week
after the transaction the
high bidder tells me he
can't come up with the
money. I'm not sure what to
do -- any suggestions would
purchased a Jeep from ebay
and it arrived quite
differently from described.
It has suspension problems
and dented fenders that were
stated as repaired. It also
came with a filthy interior,
burn holes in one of the
seats, and scratched plastic
windows on the top. I
thought ebay would reimburse
you for vehicles up to
$20,000, but I just heard
from a friend that they wont
cover the car unless the
misrepresentation is at
least 1/2 of the car's
value? Can anyone tell me if
this is so? My friend also
said that ebay's buyer
protestion program is pretty
much useless and hell would
freeze before I would ever
get a refund from them. Can
anyone that has used this
system please elaborate
their experiences? Thank