1936 LaSalle Auction Scam On eBay Motors!

Here is another low profile collector car scam on eBay Motors. 1936 LaSalle coupe. It looks like the same car scam that we captured back in December 2009.

Scammers are now trying to maintain a low profile to stay in business on eBay Motors. They list a car like this one with a single photo, and start the bidding low. They hope you will contact them and request more photos and information about the car. If the bids get too high the scammers simply cancel them.

The whole idea of this low profile scam is to try and fly under eBay’s radar. If you swallow their bait hook line and sinker, they will be sending you fake eBay vehicle protection program emails that look like they came from eBay – but they are sent by the scammers!

eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection does not cover off site scams like this one! So Don’t Feed The Scammers!

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Don’t Feed The Romanian eBay Car Scammers!

WISE UP there is NO 2003 Chevy Silverado with FREE SHIPPING for $2900!
Yep.. Instead of wiring your hard earned money to Romania – put your money back in the bank and watch this video!

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eBay Motors Redirect Scam Caught On Screen Video!

Wow.. Those eBay Scammers Sure Are Slick!

Watch as this 2007 Chevy Tahoe listing sweeps me off of eBay to a hacked website. In order to capture this scam on screen video i used my Blackberry as an IP Modem to slow the action down. Normally the second you enter the hacked eBay listing you would be swept away without a clue – that is unless you are watching your URL Window!

eBay is without a doubt NOT SAFE! These redirect scams have been going on at least since 2006. There is evidence of this in my scam archive HERE. I guess eBay don’t care about this US-CERT that was issued by the Government in 2006!

If you have to use eBay – do so with extreme caution!

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This is a followup Video Cappnonymous posted on YouTube.

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Here is an eBay member in good standing since 2001 with a total feedback score of 812 – that is 100% positive. 

In this eBay Motors Forum thread he claims he was scammed out of $15,200 on a vehicle. Naturally eBay is not helping and the eBay Motors VPP is denying claim because eBay pulled the listing as fraudulent.

oi8abug has said in this discussion board thread that he contacted live help and was told the listing was valid, and covered by eBay VPP Protection. He also claims he knows eBay well, as he should with 812 FB and 10 years experience!

However the listing was a very clever scam perpetrated on eBay and not a redirect as we are all so used to. Hopefully he posts an item number, I would like to find a cashed copy of it on one of the search engines.

eBay members come to the discussion boards to ask advise about listings legitimacy, share fraud avoiding advice, and to give advice in general.  And in an apparent attempt to sweep the knock off fraud under the rug, eBay has banned members from asking if a listing is or was a scam on the boards!

Watch this video Cappnonymous published showing screen captures of the board posting and members comments.

Lots more Vehicle Buyers will get scammed if this policy is enforced on eBay Motors Forums. And eBay could care less who gets scammed on their site!

It’s a shame that a site that was built on trust can not be trusted!

I will keep this post updated about oi8abug’s progress dealing with eBay as i learn more.

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I published THIS VIDEO yesterday afternoon on YouTube about 10 Collector Car Scams that all had similar scammer markings.  eBay is all there collective way of keeping buyers safe on the site pulled a discussion board post about there scams.

eBay knows there is lots of fraud on their website – but loves the fees that are charged to someones stolen credit card or hijacked sellers account, so they would rather pull public postings about scams than pull the scam listing itself.

This morning there was only 3 of the scam listings remaining. But their was a person posting on the EBMDG that they were robbed! I published this follow up video to show how the scammers are working their listings. It’s the holiday season and the scammers seem to be increasing their eBay motors listings to fund their holiday spending.

I suggest everyone take the time to watch it and learn how not to get scammed! And visit our YouTube Channel to see all my videos.

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A Not So Common eBay Motors Scam Explained

This is not the usual run of the mill eBay scam where the scammer is plastering a big BUY NOW price and contact email on the listing. It actually looks like an amateur seller with a simple text description and 1 photo.

An under bidder was contacted by the seller and offered a second chance offer. Lucky for that person they asked for advice on eBay’s Motors Discussion Forums.

At least that’s one potential victim that didn’t get scammed! But there are many more that fall into this scammers trap and loose their money!

The scammers are getting slicker how they work their scams.. So be safe and ask for advice on the eBay Motors Forums before falling for a potential scam!

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Example Of An eBay Hijacked Account Vehicle Scam

I produced this video on 11/22/2009 on our YouTube Chanel and had requests to blog it here so vehicle shoppers can see how these scammers work.

eBay is getting better at removing scams like this one, except on weekends where they stay up longer. I have heard eBay does not have the staff available on weekends to remove fraudulent listings.

The owner of this truck is in Iowa and has tried to sell it on eBay. Scammers have stolen his photos, vin, and description and listed it for about HALF Price on a hijacked eBay account.

He tried to get eBay support to remove the scam listing but they ended his listing and left the scam listing running! He posted a message on eBay’s Motors discussion board but eBay just removed his posting and ignored the scam listing!

It is important to know how these scammers work so you don’t get swindled. eBay VPP will not cover a transaction listed on a hijacked account. The scammer will try to lead you off of ebay, and send you very convincing emails that look like they came from eBay, but they do not!

Watch this video and see how scammers operate!

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eBay Search Down And Has Been For Several Hours!

You can find your eBay items from Google Base Shopping / Product Search.

Google is connecting to eBay just fine. Looks like Donahoe can’t get his best match up.. LOL!

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Experian Auto Check says they report 2x the accidents than CarFax.

The Auto Check Website will not accept less than 17 Characters, however all 0’s 1’s x’s etc will bring up a history report. This 59 Volga (USSR Sedan) has 17 1’s for a VIN and Auto Check lists an accident..

Wow the Auto Check history report on this car shows 15 ACCIDENTS!

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eBay Auto Check History Report On 1963 Ford!

I came across this one and had to document it.

How can an old 63 Ford F-150 Pickup listed on eBay Motors with a VIN Of “00000000″ have a history report?

A VIN of all zeros is not a valid VIN – plain and simple!

Are they pulling this data out of a hat? LOL!

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eBay Dirty Auto Check On $210,000 Lamborghini

WOW.. And such a nice car too.

But CarFax says it has no accidents – and look at all the service history!

LOL @ eBay.. Running more buyers & sellers off the site.. :)

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Wow.. An Auto Farce Government Car.. LOL!

eBay runs more business off than any other website i know of! The scammers and the extorting buyers were bad enough, then eBay just had to jump into bed with Auto Check and run more business off. Who cares about a score on a vehicles title? It’s either clean or salvage/rebuilt. Board Posting Link.

But here is another example of an Auto Check error that will likely cost this seller his sale.

Forum posting on eBay's Motors Discussion Board.

Forum posting on eBay's Motors Discussion Board.

Experian Auto Check Report Header Showing A Low Score

Experian Auto Check Report Header Showing A Low Score

Full Exerian Auto Check Report showing State Government Usage.

2004 Mercury Marauder Experian Auto Check Report Showing State Government Use.

2004 Mercury Marauder Experian Auto Check Report Showing State Government Use.

Now here is a CarFax Report showing that car as a Private 1 Owner – and look at all that service history!

2004 Mercury Marauder CarFax Report Showing A Private 1 Owner With Excellent Service!

2004 Mercury Marauder CarFax Report Showing A Private 1 Owner With Excellent Service!

eBay.. Get A Clue and dump this Auto Farce Garbage before you run the rest of your sellers off the site!

I done figured it out long ago.. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. Give your members a CarFax Report!

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Here is another fine example of eBay Motors Incompetency..

Absolutely drop dead gorgeous RED Volvo S60R AWD that was just traded on a new car. The trading dealer sold the car at auction, and the dealer that bought it has it up for auction on eBay Motors, Item number:140358772638.

However the first thing a potential buyer sees when viewing the item page is the Auto Check blurb up top saying it’s either a Repo, Theft, or Other Event Reported!

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check Vehicle History Report Partial VIN YV1RH527262531876

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check Vehicle History Report Partial VIN YV1RH527262531876

Putting this verbiage  right up top before the sellers description is not a smart move by the eBay Motors team who obviously dreamed this up.  A potential buyer who sees this stands a very good chance of clicking back out of that listing.

On top of that – if a potential buyer took the time to read the actual Auto Check report itself they would see that it was NOT a Repo or a Theft as they claimed above. The only thing showing was a duplicate title being applied for.

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check Vehicle History Report On VIN YV1RH527262531876

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check Vehicle History Report On VIN YV1RH527262531876

This seller is also a CarFax Dealer and offered a FREE CarFax Report in his listing. Look at the difference in the two reports.

CarFax History Report On 2006 Volvo S60R AWD VIN: YV1RH527262531876

CarFax History Report On 2006 Volvo S60R AWD VIN: YV1RH527262531876

Note CarFax does not show a duplicate title record, but they do show one service record that that Auto Check does not show.

It is a fact that CarFax has access to service history from many franchised dealerships, oil change specialty shops, etc. CarFax is the leading authority on Vehicle History Reports. It’s what they do and specialize in. Wouldn’t you rather have a CarFax Report?

CarFax has been running a special on unlimited reports for licensed dealers. If you are a licensed dealer, I suggest you check into becoming a CarFax Dealer at www.carfaxonline.com. Having a CarFax account will help you sell more cars!

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eBay is openly telling buyers it’s ok to buy a car then go after the seller for a partial refund if the vehicle does not meet their expectations.  This is opening the door to serious buyer fraud.

On October 03 2009, I blogged about a seller that was being held hostage for $250 on an old 1983 Renault LeCar that was sold for $1175.00.  The buyer came in person and inspected the car, went with the seller to DMV and got his tags, and drove it home.

After the purchase, and after he drove the car home, he decided to work the seller for money back after the fact. When someone buys an automobile they pay an agreed upon price and take delivery of that vehicle.  Bidding on eBay is agreeing to pay what you bid, or agreed to pay on a buy now listing. Buyer comes and inspects the car, pays for it, and drives it home, It’s just that simple!

But if you read the below letter by eBay’s Dean Of Education, Jim “Griff” Griffith, eBay has decided to rewrite the buying procedure on their site. According to Griff and eBay Safe Harbor who supposedly thoroughly investigated this situation, the buyer felt the vehicle was not worth what he paid for it, and a partial refund of $250 would ease his redress over the purchase price, and eBay agrees with the buyer.

In this case, Trust and Safety, after careful and lengthy review, determined that this was not feedback extortion. The intent of the buyer asking for a partial refund (which in and of itself does not constitute feedback extortion) was to redress what he believed to be a misrepresentation of the vehicle’s condition.

Nobody held a gun to this guys head and forced him to hand over the money! He looked the car over, and decided to purchase it for the agreed upon price. At this time It was his car – plain and simple, and at this point was sold to him AS-IS with any and all faults it may or may not have had. Also being a used car 23 years old it could break down at any time, but got it’s new owner back home, also in Ohio.

All this over an old $1175 Used Car! But can you imagine a later model car that someone buys long distance and has shipped home? Buyer takes the car to a franchised dealer for a safety inspection, the service writer who is on commission tries to sell $2k worth of “Suggested Maintenance Service” to the buyer. Buyer calls seller and want’s him to cough up that two grand or he will leave the seller negative feedback, and nail all his DSR stars with ones!

Seller is screwed – possibly a high feedback seller of other items – eBay agrees with the buyer and tells the buyer if the seller don’t pay go ahead and leave him a negative feedback! Who in their right mind will want to sell their family sedan on eBay Motors with this one sided policy in place?

Well Griff like you said at the last eBay Live, “we need buyers, if we don’t have buyers we will be out of business”. By spring of 2010 you will probably be overheard saying, “we need sellers, I don’t understand with all these buyers, why nobody wants to sell here”. Better think about what is happening to this marketplace.


Letter To Seller From Uncle Griff RE Feedback Extortion On $1175 Car.

Letter To Seller From Uncle Griff RE Feedback Extortion On $1175 Car.

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When Is A Police Car NOT A Police Car?

When it’s an eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check History Report – Police Car.. LOL!

If you have not heard about it yet – eBay Motors leaped into bed with Experian Auto Check to provide free vehicle history reports to prospective buyers. This is a good idea, but i wonder why they they didn’t contract with CarFax?

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check History Report On A Retired P71 Ford Crown Victoria Police Car

eBay Motors / Experian Auto Check History Report On A Retired P71 Ford Crown Victoria Police Car

I have looked at all the Ford retired Police Cars on eBay Motors and not one of them is listed as a Police Car in eBay’s FREE Auto Check History Report.

No Police Useage Found - LOL!

No Police Useage Found - LOL!

Before this recent change – if a seller was a CarFax Dealer and had purchased a CarFax report for a vehicle in his inventory – clicking the history report tab on an eBay Motors listing would display that CarFax Report to the prospective buyer.

Also I’m sure any knowledgeable licensed dealer will agree that CarFax is The authority on vehicle history reports, and has the most sources of data available. CarFax provides detailed service history from franchised dealers, oil change specialists, and other service facilities.

This is the result of eBay not knowing diddley about the car business and trying to run an automotive site.. They leap into bed with another company that don’t even know what a Police Car Is..

I have never had a consumer come on the lot and ask for an Auto Check, have you?

Wouldn’t you rather have a CarFax Report??

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